On this episode of the Vital Center, Jim and podcast host Geoff Kabaservice discuss Deb and Jim’s travels across the country and why politics so often works better at the local level, even in some places hard hit by economic decline and political polarization. The veteran journalist describes “the beautiful American continent [which] is full of those moments when you think, ‘Oh, this is how it looks. This is how it works.’”

Listen to the podcast here.